montejo louisiana argued january decided may preliminary hearing required louisiana law petitioner montejo charged murder ordered appointment counsel later day police read montejo rights miranda arizona agreed go along trip locate murder weapon excursion wrote inculpatory letter apology victim widow upon returning finally met attorney trial letter admitted defense objection convicted sentenced death affirming state rejected claim letter suppressed rule michigan jackson forbids police initiate interrogation criminal defendant invoked right counsel arraignment similar proceeding reasoned jackson prophylactic protection triggered unless defendant actually requested lawyer otherwise asserted sixth amendment right counsel since montejo stood mute hearing judge ordered appointment counsel made request assertion held michigan jackson overruled pp state interpretation jackson lead practical problems requiring initial invocation right counsel order trigger jackson presumption might work require indigent defendant formally request counsel appointment made half appoint counsel without request defendant pp hand montejo solution untenable theoretical doctrinal matter eliminating invocation requirement entirely depart fundamentally rationale jackson whose presumption created analogy similar prophylactic rule established edwards arizona protect fifth miranda right edwards jackson meant prevent police badgering defendants changing minds right counsel invoked defendant never asked counsel yet made mind first instance pp stare decisis require expand significantly holding prior decision order cure practical deficiencies contrary fact decision proved unworkable traditional ground overruling payne tennessee beyond workability relevant factors include precedent antiquity reliance interests stake whether decision well reasoned pearson callahan first two cut favor jettisoning jackson opinion two decades old eliminating upset expectations since criminal defendant learned enough order affairs based jackson rule also perfectly capable interacting police strength jackson reasoning creates prophylactic rule protect constitutional right relevant reasoning weighing rule benefits costs jackson marginal benefits dwarfed substantial costs even without jackson waivers admitted trial taken substantial overlapping measures exclude miranda suspect subject custodial interrogation must advised right lawyer present edwards defendant invoked miranda right interrogation must stop minnick mississippi subsequent interrogation may take place counsel present three layers prophylaxis sufficient side equation principal cost applying jackson rule crimes go unsolved criminals unpunished uncoerced confessions excluded officers deterred even trying obtain confessions concludes jackson rule pay way leon thus case overruled pp montejo nonetheless given opportunity contend letter apology suppressed edwards rule understandably pursue edwards objection jackson offered broader protections decision changes legal landscape pp la vacated remanded scalia delivered opinion roberts kennedy thomas alito joined alito filed concurring opinion kennedy joined stevens filed dissenting opinion souter ginsburg joined breyer joined except breyer filed dissenting opinion jesse jay montejo petitioner louisiana writ certiorari louisiana may justice scalia delivered opinion consider case scope continued viability rule announced michigan jackson forbidding police initiate interrogation criminal defendant requested counsel arraignment similar proceeding petitioner jesse montejo arrested september connection robbery murder lewis ferrari found dead home one day earlier suspicion quickly focused jerry moore disgruntled former employee ferrari dry cleaning business police sought question montejo known associate moore montejo waived rights miranda arizona interrogated sheriff office police detectives late afternoon evening september early morning september interrogation montejo repeatedly changed account crime first claiming driven moore victim home ultimately admitting shot killed ferrari course botched burglary police interrogations videotaped september montejo brought judge known louisiana hearing preliminary hearing required state although proceedings transcribed minute record indicates transpired defendant charged first degree murder ordered bond set matter ordered office indigent defender appointed represent defendant app pet cert later day two police detectives visited montejo back prison requested accompany excursion locate murder weapon montejo earlier indicated thrown lake substance remains dispute montejo read miranda rights agreed go along excursion wrote inculpatory letter apology victim widow upon return montejo finally meet attorney quite upset detectives interrogated client absence trial letter apology admitted defense objection jury convicted montejo murder sentenced death louisiana affirmed conviction sentence relevant rejected montejo argument rule jackson supra letter suppressed jackson held police initiate interrogation defendant assertion arraignment similar proceeding right counsel waiver defendant right counsel interrogation invalid citing decision appeals fifth circuit montoya collins louisiana reasoned prophylactic protection jackson triggered unless defendant actually requested lawyer otherwise asserted sixth amendment right counsel montejo simply stood mute hearing judge ordered appointment counsel made request assertion proper inquiry ruled whether knowingly intelligently voluntarily waived right counsel present interaction police montejo read miranda rights agreed waive answered question affirmative upheld conviction granted certiorari ii montejo amici raise number pragmatic objections louisiana interpretation jackson agree approach taken lead either unworkable standard arbitrary anomalous distinctions defendants different neither acceptable rule adopted louisiana criminal defendant must request counsel otherwise assert sixth amendment right preliminary hearing jackson protections triggered police may initiate interrogation absence counsel appoints counsel defendant taking affirmative action invoke right counsel police free initiate interrogations provided first obtain otherwise valid waiver defendant right counsel present rule apply well enough require indigent defendant formally request counsel appointment made usually occurs informed receive counsel asks system works michigan example rule whose scheme produced factual background decision michigan jackson jackson like represented indigent defendants state requested counsel accordance applicable state law many follow practices two dozen appointment counsel automatic upon finding indigency stat ann number others appointment made either upon defendant request sua sponte del code tit see app brief national legal aid defender assn et al amici curiae nothing jackson opinion indicates whether aware require defendant affirmatively request counsel one appointed course occasion decide rule announced apply louisiana answer unresolved question troublesome central distinction draws defendants assert right counsel exceedingly hazy applied appoint counsel absent request defendant categorize defendant merely asks prior appointment whether appointed counsel inquires fact whether treatment one thanks appointment made asks defendant whether object appointment quick shake head count assertion right extent louisiana rule also permits defendant trigger jackson acceptance counsel notion even mysterious one affirmatively accept counsel appointed order indigent defendant right choose counsel hard imagine acceptance look like beyond passive silence montejo exhibited practice judicial application louisiana rule require defendant make request counsel take either two paths courts might ask basis whether defendant somehow invoked right counsel looking conduct preliminary hearing statements gestures totality circumstances courts might simply determine categorical matter defendants half union simply opportunity assert right counsel hearing therefore luck neither approach desirable former particularly impractical light fact amici describe preliminary hearings often rushed frequently recorded transcribed brief national legal aid defender assn et al sheer volume indigent defendants see render monitoring particular defendant reaction appointment counsel almost impossible sometimes defendant even present la code crim proc art west supp allowing appoint counsel defendant unable appear police attend hearing way know whether approach particular defendant adjudicate question ex post burdensome task even monitoring possible transcription available clarity command certainty application crucial rules govern law enforcement minnick mississippi unfortunate way proceed see also moran burbine second possible course fares better achieve clarity certainty expense introducing arbitrary distinctions defendants automatically appoint counsel opportunity invoke rights trigger jackson effectively instructed request counsel lucky winners sort hollow formalism place doctrine purports serve practical safeguard defendants rights iii louisiana application jackson unsound practical matter montejo solution untenable theoretical doctrinal matter approach defendant represented counsel police may initiate interrogation rule entirely untethered original rationale jackson worth emphasizing first dispute stake precedents adversary judicial process initiated sixth amendment guarantees defendant right counsel present critical stages criminal proceedings wade powell alabama interrogation state stage massiah see also henry precedents also place beyond doubt sixth amendment right counsel may waived defendant long relinquishment right voluntary knowing intelligent patterson illinois brewer williams johnson zerbst defendant may waive right whether already represented counsel decision waive need counseled michigan harvey defendant read miranda rights include right counsel present interrogation agrees waive rights typically trick even though miranda rights purportedly source fifth amendment general matter accused admonished warnings prescribed miranda sufficiently apprised nature sixth amendment rights consequences abandoning rights waiver basis considered knowing intelligent one patterson supra question raised case one addressed jackson rule whether courts must presume waiver invalid certain circumstances created presumption jackson analogy similar prophylactic rule established protect fifth amendment based miranda right counsel present custodial interrogation edwards arizona decided accused invoked right counsel present custodial interrogation subject interrogation authorities counsel made available unless initiates contact edwards rule designed prevent police badgering defendant waiving previously asserted miranda rights harvey supra presuming postassertion statements involuntary even suspect executes waiver statements considered voluntary traditional standards mcneil wisconsin prophylactic rule thus protect suspect voluntary choice speak outside lawyer presence texas cobb kennedy concurring jackson represented wholesale importation edwards rule sixth amendment cobb supra jackson decided request counsel arraignment treated invocation sixth amendment right counsel every critical stage prosecution despite doubt defendants actually inten request counsel encompass representation questioning doubts must resolved favor protecting constitutional claim citing edwards held subsequent waiver thus insufficient justify interrogation words presume waivers involuntary based supposition suspects assert right counsel unlikely waive right voluntarily subsequent interactions police harvey supra dissent presents us revisionist view jackson defendants request counsel contends important proved counsel appointed non sequitur nowhere alluded case hardly needs rebuttal proceeding fanciful premise dissent claims decision actually established rule designed safeguard defendant right rely assistance counsel post opinion stevens one designed prevent police badgering post safeguard right assistance counsel knowing voluntary waiver defendant unless dissent seeks prevent defendant altogether waiving sixth amendment rights imprison man privileges call constitution adams ex rel mccann view zero support reason history case law answer must police pressure badgering antibadgering rationale way make sense jackson repeated citations edwards way reconcile opinion waiver understanding jackson stands whence came clear montejo interpretation decision represented defendant ever approached state asked consent interrogation mark appoints counsel indigent defendant absence request part basis presumption subsequent waiver right counsel involuntary initial election exercise right patterson must preserved prophylactic rule later waivers reason exists assume defendant like montejo done nothing express intentions respect sixth amendment rights perfectly amenable speaking police without counsel present reason exists prohibit police inquiring edwards jackson meant prevent police badgering defendants changing minds rights defendant never asked counsel yet made mind first instance dissent argument contrary rests flawed fortiori defendant entitled protection interrogation sixth amendment merely requests lawyer even obviously entitled protection secured lawyer post question jackson however whether respondents entitled counsel unquestionably whether respondents validly waived right counsel even reasonable presume defendant request counsel subsequent waiver right coerced presumption seriously entertained lawyer merely secured defendant behalf state matter course course reading dissent analysis one idea montejo executed waiver practice montejo rule prevent interrogation entirely sixth amendment right attaches least appoint counsel promptly without request defendant dissent jackson pointed expressed disagreement majority opinion assuredly hold edwards per se rule prohibiting interrogations applies moment defendant sixth amendment right counsel attaches without request counsel defendant opinion rehnquist constituted shockingly dramatic restructuring balance traditionally struck rights defendant larger society ibid montejo rule appears theoretical roots codes legal ethics sixth amendment american bar association model rules professional conduct nearly adopted law whole part mandate lawyer shall communicate subject representation party lawyer knows represented another lawyer matter unless lawyer consent lawyer authorized law order model rule constitution codify aba model rules make investigating police officers lawyers montejo proposed rule broader narrower model rule broader montejo apply agents state including detectives interrogated ethical rule governs lawyers narrower agrees defendant initiates contact police may talk freely whereas lawyer sanctioned interviewing represented party even party initiates communication consents interview model rule comment montejo contends decisions support interpretation jackson rule think many cases cites concern substantive scope sixth amendment whether particular interaction state constitutes critical stage counsel entitled present validity sixth amendment waiver see maine moulton henry massiah see also moran since everyone agrees absent valid waiver montejo entitled lawyer interrogation cases advance argument montejo also points descriptions jackson holding two later cases one noted analysis waiver issue changes defendant obtains even requests counsel harvey elsewhere opinion explained jackson applies defendant requests assistance counsel suspect charged crime requests counsel outside context interrogation suspects assert right counsel ibid accuracy obtains language thus questionable anyway since harvey held evidence obtained violation jackson rule admitted impeach defendant trial testimony varying descriptions rule violated dicta dictum decision patterson supra upshot even jackson terms completely unjustified presume defendant consent interrogation involuntary coerced simply previously appointed lawyer iv one hand requiring initial invocation right counsel order trigger jackson presumption consistent theory decision montejo amici argue see part ii supra unworkable half union hand eliminating invocation requirement render rule easy apply depart fundamentally jackson rationale think stare decisis requires us expand significantly holding prior decision fundamentally revising theoretical basis process order cure practical deficiencies contrary fact decision proved unworkable traditional ground overruling payne tennessee accordingly called supplemental briefing addressed question whether michigan jackson overruled beyond workability relevant factors deciding whether adhere principle stare decisis include antiquity precedent reliance interests stake course whether decision well reasoned pearson callahan slip first two cut favor abandoning jackson opinion two decades old eliminating upset expectations criminal defendant learned enough order affairs based rule announced jackson also perfectly capable interacting police course likely true police prosecutors trained comply jackson see generally supplemental brief larry thompson et al amici curiae hardly basis retaining constitutional requirement state wishes abstain requesting interviews represented defendants counsel present obviously may continue brings us strength jackson reasoning creates prophylactic rule order protect constitutional right relevant reasoning weighing rule benefits costs value prophylactic rule must assessed basis gained also basis lost minnick scalia dissenting think marginal benefits jackson number confessions obtained coercively suppressed rule otherwise admitted dwarfed substantial costs hindering society compelling interest finding convicting punishing violate law moran supra jackson rule actually achieve way preventing unconstitutional conduct recall purpose rule preclude state badgering defendants waiving previously asserted rights see harvey supra see also mcneil effect badgering might coerce waiver render subsequent interrogation violation sixth amendment see massiah supra even though involuntary waivers invalid even apart jackson see patterson mistakes course possible courts conduct voluntariness review rule like adopted jackson ensures fruits interrogations made possible involuntary waivers ever erroneously admitted trial without jackson many answer principal reason already taken substantial overlapping measures toward end miranda prophylactic protection right compelled suspect subject custodial interrogation right lawyer present requests advised right edwards prophylactic protection miranda right defendant invoked right counsel present interrogation must stop minnick prophylactic protection edwards right subsequent interrogation may take place counsel present whether accused consulted attorney three layers prophylaxis sufficient line cases doubt defendant want speak police without counsel present need say much first approached given miranda warnings point must immediate contact end badgering later requests prohibited regime suffices protect integrity suspect voluntary choice speak outside lawyer presence arraignment cobb kennedy concurring hard see also suffice protect choice arraignment sixth amendment rights attached jackson simply superfluous true montejo points supplemental brief doctrine established miranda edwards designed protect fifth amendment sixth amendment rights irrelevant matters cases like jackson protect right counsel custodial interrogation right happens guaranteed adversary judicial process begun two sources law since right sources waived using procedure patterson supra doctrines ensuring voluntariness fifth amendment waiver simultaneously ensure voluntariness sixth amendment waiver montejo also correctly observes regime narrower jackson one respect former applies context custodial interrogation defendant custody decisions apply govern noninterrogative types interactions defendant state like pretrial lineups however uncovered situations least likely pose risk coerced waivers defendant custody control need shut door walk away avoid police badgering noninterrogative interactions state involve inherently compelling pressures miranda supra one might reasonably fear lead involuntary waivers jackson policy driven policy adequately served means reason retain rule miranda cases elaborate upon already guarantee simply noncoercion traditional sense justice harlan referred voluntariness vengeance dissenting opinion need take jackson step requiring voluntariness stilts side equation costs adding jackson rule top edwards extant protections principal cost applying exclusionary rule course letting guilty possibly dangerous criminals go free herring slip jackson operates invalidate confession given free choice suspects received proper advice miranda rights waived nonetheless cobb supra kennedy concurring also deters law enforcement officers even trying obtain voluntary confessions ready ability obtain uncoerced confessions evil unmitigated good mcneil without confessions crimes go unsolved criminals unpunished negligible costs view jackson gave short notwithstanding calculus montejo amici urge retention jackson principal objection elimination edwards regime remains provide administrable rule praised edwards precisely provides unequivocal guidelines law enforcement profession arizona roberson cases make clear sorts statements trigger protections see davis triggered rule operates bright line montejo expresses concern courts determine whether statements made preliminary hearings constitute edwards invocations thus implicating practical problems louisiana rule discussed see part ii supra concern misguided fact never held person invoke miranda rights anticipatorily context interrogation mcneil supra matters miranda edwards happens defendant approached interrogation consents happens interrogation happened preliminary hearing sum marginal benefits jackson rule weighed substantial costs process criminal justice system readily conclude rule pay way leon michigan jackson overruled although holding means louisiana correctly rejected montejo claim jackson think montejo given opportunity contend letter apology still suppressed rule edwards montejo made clear assertion right counsel officers approached accompanying excursion murder weapon interrogation taken place unless montejo initiated davis supra even montejo subsequently agreed waive rights waiver invalid followed unequivocal election right cobb kennedy concurring montejo understandably pursue edwards objection jackson served sixth amendment analogy edwards offered broader protections decision today overruling jackson changes legal landscape part based protections already provided edwards thus think remand appropriate montejo pursue alternative avenue relief montejo may also seek remand press claim might sixth amendment waiver knowing voluntary argument waiver invalid based misrepresentations police whether appointed lawyer cf moran matters heightened importance light opinion today venture resolve issues final review first view cutter wilkinson also relevant facts remain unclear montejo police gave inconsistent testimony exactly took place afternoon september louisiana make explicit credibility determination moreover montejo testimony came suppression hearing rather trial unsure whether state law testimony came late affect propriety admission evidence matters best left resolution remand reject however dissent revisionist legal analysis knowing voluntary issue post determining whether sixth amendment waiver knowing voluntary reason categorically distinguish unrepresented defendant represented one equally true held patterson miranda warnings adequately inform right counsel present questioning make aware consequences decision waive sixth amendment rights somewhat surprisingly opinion extols virtues stare decisis dissent complains treatment waiver question rests entirely dubious decision patterson post patterson consider result dubious today case exemplar justice jackson oft quoted warning forever adding new stories temples constitutional law temples way collapsing one story many added douglas city jeannette opinion concurring result today remove michigan jackson fourth story prophylaxis judgment louisiana vacated case remanded proceedings inconsistent opinion ordered jesse jay montejo petitioner louisiana writ certiorari louisiana may justice alito justice kennedy joins concurring earlier term arizona gant overruled new york belton even though case books years undermined subsequent decisions recently reaffirmed extended proven eminently workable indeed adopted precisely reason engendered substantial law enforcement reliance see gant supra slip alito dissenting took step even though asked overrule belton new rule almost certain lead host problems see gant supra slip alito dissenting megginson post grooms post justice scalia cast deciding vote overrule belton dismissed stare decisis concerns following observation seems ample reason precedent badly reasoned produces erroneous results gant supra slip concurring opinion narrow view stare decisis provides principle decision gant justified light gant discussion stare decisis today surprising dissent case hand criticizes cting reconsidering michigan jackson post opinion stevens true gant case gave parties interested amici opportunity submit supplemental briefs issue step taken gant dissent faults cast ing aside reliance interests law enforcement post gant real important law enforcement interests stake see slip alito dissenting even conceded belton rule widely taught police academies law enforcement officers ha relied rule conducting vehicle searches past years slip whatever else might said belton surely provided rule month ago none counted much today dissent writes jackson rule provided law enforcement officers clear guidance allowed prosecutors quickly easily assess whether confessions admissible assisted judges determining whether defendant sixth amendment rights violated police interrogation post striking precisely points true gant belton rule ha provided law enforcement officers clear guidance allowed prosecutors quickly easily assess whether evidence obtained vehicle search ould admissible assisted judges determining whether defendant fourth amendment rights ha violated police interrogation post dissent finally invokes jackson antiquity stating existence simple rule weigh favor retention post gant compunction casting aside rule assume dissent thinks constitutional precedents like certain wines treasured neither young old jackson prime whereas belton turned brownish vinegary agree dissent stare decisis promote evenhanded development legal principles post quoting payne tennessee treatment stare decisis gant fully supports decision present case jesse jay montejo petitioner louisiana writ certiorari louisiana may justice stevens justice souter justice ginsburg join justice breyer joins except dissenting today properly concludes louisiana parsimonious reading decision michigan jackson indefensible yet reverse rather initiative without evidence longstanding sixth amendment protections established jackson caused harm workings criminal justice system rejects jackson outright ground untenable theoretical doctrinal matter ante conclusion rests misinterpretation jackson rationale gross undervaluation rule stare decisis police interrogation case clearly violated petitioner sixth amendment right counsel sixth amendment provides criminal prosecutions accused shall enjoy right assistance counsel defence right counsel attaches initiation adversary judicial criminal proceedings rothgery gillespie county slip internal quotation marks omitted guarantees assistance counsel proceedings critical stages including postarraignment interviews law enforcement officers see patterson illinois jackson considered whether sixth amendment bars police interrogating defendants requested appointment counsel arraignment applying presumption request constitutes invocation right counsel every critical stage prosecution held defendant formally charged crime requested appointment counsel arraignment subject uncounseled interrogation unless initiates exchanges conversations police case petitioner jesse montejo contends police violated sixth amendment right counsel interrogating following hearing outside presence without prior notice lawyer louisiana rejected montejo claim relying fact defendants jackson requested counsel arraignment state held jackson protections apply montejo counsel appointed automatically montejo explicitly requested counsel affirmatively accepted counsel appointed represent submitted police interrogation pp agree majority conclusion louisiana decision allowed stand lead either unworkable standard arbitrary anomalous distinctions defendants different ante neither option tolerable neither compelled jackson decision jackson involved two consolidated cases arising state michigan michigan law effect time defendant appeared arraignment required inform counsel provided financially needy requested representation rule undisputed jackson defendants made request arraignment one completing affidavit indigency responding affirmatively question posed see app michigan jackson app michigan bladel pp neither case however clear counsel actually appointed arraignment thus defendants requests counsel significant matter state law served evidence appointment counsel effectuated even absence proof defense counsel actual notice appointments unlike michigan louisiana require defendant make request order receive counsel consequently reason place constitutional significance fact montejo neither voiced request counsel affirmatively embraced appointment post hoc certainly decision jackson mandate odd rule see ante acknowledging occasion decide jackson rule apply make appointment counsel contingent affirmative request defendant entitled protection interrogation sixth amendment merely requests lawyer even obviously entitled protection secured lawyer indeed already recognized much see michigan harvey acknowledging defendant obtains even requests counsel jackson alters waiver analysis patterson noting matter significance constitutional analysis defendant retained accepted appointment lawyer represent time questioned authorities emphasis added relationship established appointment retention counsel matter federal law method relationship created irrelevant existence valid relationship provides defendant full constitutional protection afforded sixth amendment ii today correctly concludes louisiana holding troublesome ante impractical ante unsound ante instead reversing decision state simply answering question granted certiorari unanimous opinion however majority decided change law acting initiative majority overrules jackson correct theoretical doctrinal problem imagining see ante careful reading jackson sixth amendment cases upon relied reveals rule announced jackson protects fundamental right dishonors majority decision overrule jackson rests assumption jackson protective rule intended prevent police badgering defendants changing minds rights ante see also ante rule adopted edwards arizona designed prevent police coercing unindicted suspects revoking requests counsel interrogation operating limited understanding purpose behind jackson protective rule concludes jackson provides safeguard already secured fifth amendment jurisprudence see miranda arizona requiring defendants admonished right counsel prior custodial interrogation edwards prohibiting interrogation following defendant invocation right counsel majority analysis flagrantly misrepresents jackson underlying rationale constitutional interests decision sought protect true rule adopted jackson patterned rule edwards jackson opinion even mention considerations provide basis decision today instead jackson relied primarily cases discussing broad protections guaranteed sixth amendment right counsel fifth amendment counterpart jackson emphasized purpose sixth amendment unaided layman critical confrontations adversary quoting gouveia giving right rely counsel self state quoting maine moulton underscoring commencement criminal proceedings decisive event transforms suspect accused within meaning sixth amendment concluded arraigned defendants entitled least much protection interrogation fifth amendment affords unindicted suspects see difference legal basis rule applied edwards sixth amendment claim asserted cases actually provides additional support application rule circumstances emphasis added thus although rules adopted edwards jackson similar jackson rely reasoning edwards remained firmly rooted unique protections afforded relationship sixth jackson placed proper sixth amendment context majority justifications overruling decision crumble ordinarily hesitant disturb past precedent rule proven outdated unworkable otherwise legitimately vulnerable serious reconsideration vasquez hillery stare decisis inexorable command adhere preferred course promotes evenhanded predictable consistent development legal principles fosters reliance judicial decisions contributes actual perceived integrity judicial process payne tennessee paying lip service rule stare decisis majority acknowledges must consider many factors taking dramatic step overruling past decision see ante specifically majority focuses four considerations reasoning decision workability rule reliance interests stake antiquity precedent exaggerates considerations favoring reversal however gives short shrift valid considerations favoring retention jackson rule first central decision overrule jackson assertion jackson defines weighing protective rule benefits costs ante justify continued application rule created balancing test performs however depends entirely misunderstanding jackson rule designed prevent police badgering rather rule designed safeguard defendant right rely assistance next order reach conclusion jackson rule unworkable reframes relevant inquiry asking whether jackson rule applied past quarter century proved easily administrable instead whether louisiana cramped interpretation rule practically workable answer question course framed broadly however evidence overwhelming jackson simple rule done advance effective law enforcement undermine supplemental brief submitted lawyers judges extensive experience law enforcement prosecution amici larry thompson et al argue persuasively jackson rule provided law enforcement officers clear guidance allowed prosecutors quickly easily assess whether confessions admissible assisted judges determining whether defendant sixth amendment rights violated police interrogation see generally thompson supplemental brief amici acknowledge jackson reduces opportunities interrogate defendants may require exclusion evidence support criminal conviction maintain rare case rule lets guilty defendant go free ibid notably representations contradicted state louisiana amici including see brief conceding jackson rule resulted suppression significant numbers statements federal prosecutions past short substantial evidence suggesting jackson rule workable also desirable perspective law enforcement turning reliance interests stake case rejects interests criminal defendants flippant observation knowledgeable enough rely jackson savvy need protections casts aside reliance interests law enforcement ground police prosecutors remain free employ jackson rule suits see ante result mistaken understanding purpose behind jackson protective rule fails identify real reliance interest issue case public interest knowing counsel secured may reasonably relied upon medium accused power state interest lies heart sixth amendment guarantee surely worthy greater consideration given today decision finally although acknowledges antiquity factor counsels favor retaining precedent concludes fact jackson two decades old cuts favor abandoning rule established ante thought existence simple rule factor cuts direction despite fact rule established jackson remains relevant well grounded constitutional precedent easily administrable today rejects sua sponte decision diminish public confidence reliability fairness system iii even jackson never decided clear montejo sixth amendment rights violated today decision eliminates rule waiver sixth amendment rights given discussion initiated police presumed invalid defendant invoked right counsel harvey citing jackson nevertheless undisputed facts case sound basis concluding montejo made knowing valid waiver sixth amendment right counsel acquiescing police interrogation following hearing police questioned montejo without notice outside presence lawyer interrogation violated montejo right counsel even precedent case law makes clear sixth amendment violated state obtains incriminating statements knowingly circumventing accused right counsel present confrontation accused state agent moulton sixth amendment entitles indicted defendants counsel notified present critical confrontations state throughout pretrial process given realities modern criminal prosecution critical proceedings counsel assistance required often occur outside courtroom pretrial proceedings results might well settle accused fate reduce trial mere formality wade wade instance held lineup conducted identification purposes critical stage criminal proceedings defendant counsel constitutionally entitled notice impending lineup accordingly counsel presence requisite conduct lineup absent intelligent waiver internal quotation marks omitted reasoning applies police decisions interrogate represented defendants sixth amendment entitles accused robust protection lineup surely entitles protection custodial interrogation stakes high higher cf spano new york douglas concurring hat use defendant right effective counsel every stage criminal case held awaiting trial questioned absence counsel confesses avoids confronting serious sixth amendment concerns raised police interrogation case assuming montejo validly waived sixth amendment rights submitting summarily concluding doctrines ensuring voluntariness fifth amendment waiver simultaneously ensure voluntariness sixth amendment waiver ante thus montejo given miranda warnings prior interrogation waiver presumptively valid ironically faults jackson blurring line fifth sixth amendment jurisprudence commits error assuming miranda warnings given case designed purely safeguard fifth amendment right somehow adequate protect montejo robust sixth amendment right counsel majority cursory treatment waiver question rests entirely dubious decision patterson addressed whether providing miranda warnings police adequately advised indicted unrepresented defendant sixth amendment right counsel majority held general matter accused admonished warnings prescribed miranda sufficiently apprised nature sixth amendment rights consequences abandoning rights recognized however sixth amendment protection relationship extends beyond miranda protection fifth amendment right counsel cases waiver valid miranda suffice sixth amendment purposes case observed patterson conclusion miranda warnings ordinarily provide sufficient basis knowing waiver right counsel rests questionable assumption warnings make clear defendants assistance lawyer render interrogation see dissenting opinion miranda warnings hint ways lawyer might assist client conversations police remain convinced warnings prescribed sufficient apprise defendant fifth amendment right remain silent inadequate inform unrepresented indicted defendant sixth amendment right lawyer present critical stages criminal prosecution inadequacy warnings even obvious case represented defendant argued informing indicted unrepresented defendant right counsel least alerts fact entitled obtain something already possess providing warning defendant already secured counsel likely confound glibly assuming miranda warnings given case sufficient ensure montejo waiver knowing voluntary conveniently avoids comment actual advice montejo received adequately inform relevant sixth amendment rights alert possible consequences waiving rights defendant decision forgo counsel assistance speak openly police momentous one given high stakes making choice potential value counsel advice mediation critical stage criminal proceedings imperative defendant possess full awareness nature right abandoned consequences decision abandon moran burbine waiver deemed valid see iowa tovar johnson zerbst administration miranda warnings insufficient ensure montejo understood sixth amendment right asked surrender record case provides basis concluding montejo validly waived right counsel even absence jackson enhanced protections iv decision overrule jackson unwarranted rests flawed doctrinal premise dubious benefits hopes achieve far outweighed damage rule law integrity sixth amendment right counsel moreover even apart protections afforded jackson police interrogation case violated jesse montejo sixth amendment right counsel respectfully dissent jesse jay montejo petitioner louisiana writ certiorari louisiana may justice breyer dissenting join justice stevens dissent except although principles stare decisis inflexible believe bind reached similar conclusion arizona gant slip breyer dissenting several recent cases see leegin creative leather products psks slip breyer dissenting parents involved community schools seattle school dist slip breyer dissenting federal election wisconsin right life slip souter dissenting bowles russell souter dissenting gonzales carhart ginsburg dissenting district columbia heller slip op stevens dissenting footnotes sheriff law enforcement officer custody arrested person shall bring promptly case within hours time arrest judge purpose appointment counsel la code crim proc art west supp dissent responds jackson also ensures defendant counsel receives notice interrogation post notice end surely order protect constitutional right receive counsel advice regarding waiver right counsel present contrary dissent intimations neither advice presence counsel needed order effectuate knowing waiver sixth amendment right cases make clear miranda waivers typically suffice indeed even unrepresented defendant waive right counsel see supra cited passage noted nce accused lawyer distinct set constitutional safeguards aimed preserving sanctity relationship takes effect patterson support proposition cited maine moulton case waiver passage went observe analysis changes markedly accused even requests assistance counsel emphasis original time citing jackson montejo infers even requests counsel conclusive invalidity uncounseled waiver mere requesting counsel patterson suggest analysis changes scenarios lawyer versus requesting one specific reference validity waivers sixth amendment citation moulton nonwaiver case first scenario suggests opposite dissent posits different reliance interest public interest knowing counsel secured may reasonably relied upon medium accused power state post suspect public surprised learn criminal freely sign away right lawyer confess crimes ask courts assume confession coerced ground earlier point time made pro forma statement requesting counsel appointed behalf dissent claims fact confessions suppressed federal courts applying jackson post dissent boasts generations police officers trained refrain approaching represented defendants post anyway rule truly hinder law enforcement make much practical difference see post nn reason particularly exercised demise footnotes one dissenters present case justice breyer also dissented gant followed belton stare decisis grounds see slip thus overrule either belton michigan jackson footnotes patterson illinois explained nce accused lawyer distinct set constitutional safeguards aimed preserving sanctity relationship takes effect citing maine moulton indeed emphasized analysis changes markedly accused even requests assistance counsel majority insists protection police badgering purpose jackson rule plausibly serve asks evil rule guard see ante two obvious answers first narrowly protects defendant interrogation without notice counsel badgering necessarily part police questioning second prime importance assures waiver counsel valid assistance offered counsel protects defendant surrendering rights insufficient appreciation rights decision respond interrogation might advance compromise exercise rights throughout course criminal proceedings lawyer provide client advice regarding legal practical options available potential consequences good bad choosing discuss case police likely effect conversation resolution charges informed assessment best course action circumstances assistance goes far beyond mere protection police badgering even accepting majority improper framing jackson foundation fails show costs rule negligible differ protection afforded right counsel majority assumes without citing empirical even anecdotal support marginal benefits jackson rule dwarfed substantial costs describes harm compelling interest finding convicting punishing violate law ante quoting moran burbine assumption highly dubious particularly light fact several amici interest law enforcement conceded application jackson protective rule rarely impedes prosecution see supplemental brief larry thompson et al amici curiae hereinafter thompson supplemental brief brief amicus curiae hereinafter brief supporting workability jackson rule fact aligns professional standards norms already govern behavior police prosecutors rules professional conduct endorsed american bar association aba every state bar association country prohibit prosecutors making direct contact represented defendants limited circumstances see app supplemental brief public defender service district columbia et al amici curiae setting forth state rules governing contact represented persons aba model rule professional conduct making state rules professional conduct applicable federal attorneys generations police officers trained refrain approaching represented defendants jackson requires absent direction prosecutors officers reticent interrogate represented defendants see brief see also thompson supplemental brief citing federal bureau investigation legal handbook special agents indeed concedes decision overrule case likely ill significantly alter manner federal law enforcement agents investigate indicted defendants brief concurrence justice alito assumes consideration rule stare decisis case odds recent rejection reliance doctrine dissent arizona gant agree reasoning dissent supports position case agree characterization opinion gant contrary representation overrule precedent new york belton rather affirmed narrow interpretation belton holding adopted arizona rejecting broader interpretation adopted lower courts roundly criticized judges scholars alike contrast case flatly overrules jackson rule drawn virtually criticism initiative two cases hardly comparable justice alito meant said gant expect join opinion majority leaves open possibility remand montejo may argue waiver invalid police falsely told appointed counsel see ante police deception obviously invalidate otherwise valid waiver montejo sixth amendment rights montejo strong argument given status represented criminal defendant miranda warnings given police insufficient permit make knowing waiver sixth amendment rights even absent police deception miranda suspect must warned prior questioning right remain silent anything says may used law right presence attorney afford attorney one appointed prior questioning desires respect vulnerable defendants juveniles mental impairments various kinds amici national association criminal defense lawyers et al assert verruling jackson particularly detrimental confusing instructions regarding counsel receive initial hearing likely learn attorney appointed later custodial interrogation however informed traditional manner right counsel right counsel indigent notwithstanding counsel already appointed open conflicting statements confusing anyone especially baffling defendants mental disabilities impairments supplemental brief national association criminal defense lawyers et al amici curiae